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fiery · Jul 05, 2006, 08:25 PM // 20:25

^Agreed.

Shred Dread · Jul 05, 2006, 11:19 PM // 23:19

Many of the people on this thread have been talking about the choice of the mourners to have the funeral on a PvP server as if this somehow justifies the actions of Serenity Now. Any mature person with even the slightest bit of empathy knows better.

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They CHOSE to hold this ridiculous event, "funeral" as you call it, on a P V P SERVER OF WORLD OF WARCRAFT. Notice the bold letters. By signing on to WoW and logging on with their PVP (Note, bold again)characters, they are agreeing that being killed while not in their own alliance's territory is legitimate. What kind of naive and foolish people post on a GAME's forums that they will be holding a memorial service for a dead player? Albeit what Serenity Now did is not the best recourse of action, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. They brought it upon themselves, funerals and weddings and crap like that IN GAME belong on PVE, Normal, or RP servers. If you roll on a PVP server and announce you're having a RP/PVE-like event, you better be damn ready to defend yourselves and the ceremony.

Maybe the reason this event was announced was because the mourners did not think anyone could sink as low as to basically vandalize, for relatively meaningless in-game profit, a ceremony made to pay respects to someone who died.

People, ask yourselves this:
n RL, if someone you care about dies, would you mind if a group of armed robbers came and attacked the mourners, even if there was no law prohibiting it? I think most of the non-psychopaths here would answer yes.

fiery · Jul 06, 2006, 12:02 AM // 00:02

^ Thus the conclusion is, IT'S A GAME. 1 out of 1 gazillionth chance this would happen in real life.

Duke Slytalker · Jul 06, 2006, 12:08 AM // 00:08

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Originally Posted by sgtclarity

And what basis for any of those rude comments do you have? You need to get off your high horse for a second I think.
They CHOSE to hold this ridiculous event, "funeral" as you call it, on a P V P SERVER OF WORLD OF WARCRAFT. Notice the bold letters. By signing on to WoW and logging on with their PVP (Note, bold again)characters, they are agreeing that being killed while not in their own alliance's territory is legitimate. What kind of naive and foolish people post on a GAME's forums that they will be holding a memorial service for a dead player? Albeit what Serenity Now did is not the best recourse of action, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. They brought it upon themselves, funerals and weddings and crap like that IN GAME belong on PVE, Normal, or RP servers. If you roll on a PVP server and announce you're having a RP/PVE-like event, you better be damn ready to defend yourselves and the ceremony.

first of all i dont play WoW so i know very little about it. sedondly this is not a wedding for in game characters (those are retarded and make me sad) this is a funeral (so what if its online its not like all of her friends are going to fly to where real one is) for a real person who died in real life, i know it might be a hard concept for someone of your maturity to grasp. SN wasnt just having fun, they were RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing the real emotions of real ppl. i'll admit from i know of WoW maybe it wasnt the best idea to hold this event on a pvp server, but that in no way justifys the actions of SN. Do you rob local school childern of their lunch money just cuz there on the side walk and unarmed? (well maybe you do, but most ppl dont, in fact anyone with any emotional matureity wouldnt).

Ensui · Jul 06, 2006, 12:33 AM // 00:33

I read a great quote in this month's PC Gamer. It went along the lines of "I'd be sad if I died IRL and my in game funeral wasn't ganked."

And I'd agree.

Most of you guys are forgetting that these are games. You guys.. do remember that World of Warcraft is a game, right?

Seriously, people who are arguing that SN was in the wrong would probably argue that we shouldn't use bad words in gaming because we might hurt someone's feelings.

fiery · Jul 06, 2006, 12:56 AM // 00:56

In moral and karma SN did wrong, this is why karma can bite you in the ass.

sgtclarity · Jul 06, 2006, 02:18 AM // 02:18

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Originally Posted by Shred Dread

Many of the people on this thread have been talking about the choice of the mourners to have the funeral on a PvP server as if this somehow justifies the actions of Serenity Now. Any mature person with even the slightest bit of empathy knows better.

Any fool with half a brain knows serious matters don't belong in WoW with it's broad base of players.

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Maybe the reason this event was announced was because the mourners did not think anyone could sink as low as to basically vandalize, for relatively meaningless in-game profit, a ceremony made to pay respects to someone who died.

This is where naievity comes into play.

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People, ask yourselves this:
n RL, if someone you care about dies, would you mind if a group of armed robbers came and attacked the mourners, even if there was no law prohibiting it? I think most of the non-psychopaths here would answer yes.

See here's the number one problem with you all. You just won't stop comparing this to real life. I'm sorry but a stupid, ill prepared memorial service for the alleged deceased is NOTHING compared to real life. You're trying to equate a virtual experience to the real thing. I'm VERY sorry to hear that, because if I died, I'd damn pissed if my mourners put equal importance into a "video game funeral" as the real one.
And Hell, like someone said before, some of you have never even PLAYED WoW.

Doomlord_Slayermann · Jul 06, 2006, 03:37 AM // 03:37

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Originally Posted by sgtclarity

And Hell, like someone said before, some of you have never even PLAYED WoW.

As a side note, this whole issue should demonstrate WHY you shouldn't play WoW, especially when you have Guild Wars.

burai · Jul 06, 2006, 07:53 AM // 07:53

I have to admit I'm with the 'mourners' on this one. Ok, so it' only a game, but it is also a place where people do become real friends. It may not have been possible for them to attend the funeral IRL, and probably inappropriate for them to do so.

It wasn't a funeral anyway, it was simply a gathering of friends remembering another friend. Is that really so bad? The fact that they only knew this person in a virtual world is irrelevent - a friend is a friend.

Perhaps some people are forgetting that it was a real person who died here, and should show some respect.

Thom Bangalter · Jul 06, 2006, 08:09 AM // 08:09

I can't help but make the comment: They came for a funeral, and they got one.

but seriously, really cruel thing they did.
The comment at the beginning of the video along the lines of "I hope your dad dies of a heart attack and some naked guy comes in and slaps everyone while saying 'LOL OWNED'" was pretty funny though.

karma will get them in the end though.

Kali Magdalene · Jul 06, 2006, 11:10 AM // 11:10

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Originally Posted by Shoitaan

very old hat, I've had it booked for ages

It was in poor taste yes but frankly if your going to be on a PvP server and then your going to declare that you'll be in Winterspring without weapons or armour equipped in the official forums what were you expecting to happen? I'm not defending Serenity for being assholes, I'm just saying it was their right to be assholes and if your going to spit at anyone, spit on the imbeciles that decided to have a funeral online, in-game, announce it, and NOT expect any trouble whatsoever.

Blaming the victim: Alive and well on Guru.

I'm not really surprised that so many people defend Serenity Now's actions as justified because the people who organized the online funeral should've expected some people to be socially maladjusted troglodytes looking for cheap honor kills. Yes, the organizers should've expected that there would be a group of borderline sociopaths willing to screw over their mourning, but that does not justify the actions of said borderline sociopaths.

The fact that it took place in a game does not (and really, should not) detract from the fact that these people were gathered (virtually) to honor their friend. I don't really believe that it being a game somehow makes certain lines okay to cross.

milan · Jul 06, 2006, 12:34 PM // 12:34

There is no line to cross. People have to remember that after all is said and done WoW, GW and all the rest are just games, nothing more. There are no rules outside the EULA. This isn't real life where you are bound by a myriad of laws and social acceptability. The idea of the RPG is to be able to do things you never could or would do in real life. The most disturbing parts of this thread are the parts where people compare the events that took place to real life events and actions, it's clear that there are some issues with seperating the game with real life.

Dragannia · Jul 06, 2006, 01:44 PM // 13:44

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Originally Posted by Ensui

I read a great quote in this month's PC Gamer. It went along the lines of "I'd be sad if I died IRL and my in game funeral wasn't ganked."

And I'd agree.

Most of you guys are forgetting that these are games. You guys.. do remember that World of Warcraft is a game, right?

Seriously, people who are arguing that SN was in the wrong would probably argue that we shouldn't use bad words in gaming because we might hurt someone's feelings.

My god.

If that thing could have happened GW...my guild would do it. And how.

sgtclarity · Jul 06, 2006, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by milan

There is no line to cross. People have to remember that after all is said and done WoW, GW and all the rest are just games, nothing more. There are no rules outside the EULA. This isn't real life where you are bound by a myriad of laws and social acceptability. The idea of the RPG is to be able to do things you never could or would do in real life. The most disturbing parts of this thread are the parts where people compare the events that took place to real life events and actions, it's clear that there are some issues with seperating the game with real life.

Yes this guy knows what I'm talking about! :rejoice:

"What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas"

Kruzing Low · Jul 06, 2006, 07:01 PM // 19:01

foreal @ what fiery said
youre all forgetting the bottom line, its just a game
lol @ everyone screaming OMFG KARMA and trying to relate serious real life events to in-game ones
if anything this is just an example of how some players take games way too seriously

majoho · Jul 06, 2006, 07:24 PM // 19:24

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Originally Posted by Minus Sign

A classic case of in-game mentality intruding on real life emotions. In RL the people of Serenity Now would never dream of doing something like this (hazing a public function) because there are consequences to their actions. The RL versions of these victums would easily bend them--each and every one--over a knee and spank their butts red till bleeding. In game, I'm sure that SN's days are numbered. If they aren't hunted down and camped to the point that their characters become useless to play, they should be hounded into outcast status by the WoW community at large.

This, of course, can give no great solice to those players who still mourn the loss of their friend.

To those who were affected by this, I offer empathy.

Out of curiosity: those who were responsible for making the funeral intended to make their own video for the family of this young woman. Did they carry through?

You cannot be serious about that!

1) The people holding the funeral were mostly at fault here by letting a real life thing into the game, I find it in extremely bad taste to hold a memorial service in game.

2) if you know WoW you would know that the place they chose to hold the service was in a contested area (and on a freaking PvP server) they had plenty of options to hold it somewhere else (and yeah I don't care that it was the deceased favorite area).

3) Only in America - obviously this could never have happened anywhere else.

Aejorii · Jul 06, 2006, 07:36 PM // 19:36

Saw this a while ago and I thought it was hilarious.

Former Ruling · Jul 06, 2006, 10:41 PM // 22:41

Is this ANOTHER thread about this? Man...

Anyway, I'll post the same thing I posted a month ago on the first one...sparing people the rational they don't care about.

I woulda done the exact same thing as SN...And why shouldn't I?

The one Casey Squid · Jul 06, 2006, 10:58 PM // 22:58

Serenity Now should be honored for what they did. This is a GAME people. If I died and somebody decided to hold a funeral for me in game I would expect it to get crashed. How big of a nerd are you in real life so that they decide to hold a ingame funeral for you? Like I said previously I would ashamed and embarrassed if somebody did this to me.

God did this person not have real life friends who could hold a private service outside the game? I knoe she had a actual funeral but her friends could have gotten together to mourn.

This was a stupid idea and im honestly happy it got crashed. It will make them think before trying something stupid like that again.

If Serenity Now doesnt get a award then the world has gone to hell.

burai · Jul 07, 2006, 07:29 AM // 07:29

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Originally Posted by The one Casey Squid

This is a GAME people.

I think we've all established it's a game. However, isn't it just possible that it's slightly more than that?

It's a game that allows thousands of people to interact with each other, so in some respects it's a method of communication. It allows people to get together and chat about 'stuff' (in the appropriate channel of course), so in some respects it's a place for social gathering. Some people even meet in-game and get married IRL.

You may consider all this stuff nerdy, but careful how you use that term - most people would put all of us in that bracket.

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Originally Posted by The one Casey Squid

... I would ashamed and embarrassed if somebody did this to me.

No you woudn't - you'd be dead

These people probably live thousands of miles apart - quite possibly in different countries. How else are they meant to get together?

Now, if they were simply holding this 'funeral' for a laugh, then yes - it deserved to get trashed. If however, they sincerely wanted to remember a friend - why the hell shouldn't they?